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Having had some direct experience with Myhrvold's group (and hence my desire to remain anonymous), I suggest the following. "Patent troll" is too simplistic and limiting. Think of IV as a combination mob protection racket + ponzi monetization scheme.
The goal is build an increasing portfolio of interlocking patents under control through a kind of pyramid scheme. Eventually the principals (Myhrvold, Gates, others) will cash out later. The patents are rarely held directly, instead they are held in an elaborate pyramidal network of LLC's, LLP's, etc.
The mob protection racket is in the form of thier pitch to current patent owners & potential licensees: "we've never sued for infringement, but of course a few of our patents have been sold to folks who do sue for nasty damages. Be a shame if anything would happen to your nice business, eh? Why not join us as a licensee AND investor? I'm sure we can make sure no patents of interest to you end up with the nasties."
The idea is to get patent-owning firms (particularly multi-patent owners) to agree to sell ownership of the patents to IV, but also to get them simultaneouslyh INVEST in LLP's that buy more patents. More investors means more $ to buy more patents, which brings more investors, which (especially when leveraged) brings more patents, which, .... until (someday) they have all the patents (of course Myhrvold & Gates are gone by then). All along the way, IV takes substantial mgt fees for managing all these portfolios & LLP's.
No, IV isn't a troll per se. It's probably worse long-term for the larger economy. Kind of like how some of the worse Wall St creatures haven't been extorting per se, but when you put together a pyramid of SIV's levering off each other and buying Mortgage backed securities and then artificial derivatives based off the already derivative securities, all with 1% capital you get something not very healthy for the economy, but enormously profitable for the bank that manages the setup for fees.
[Comment at 02/18/2010 10:28 AM by Repentant Patent Owner]
After I posted this morning, I came across Steve Lohr's blog post link here
Lots more detail. It gets worse than I suspected. Read it and hold on to your wallet.
[Comment at 02/18/2010 10:58 AM by John Bennett]
But wait, there is even more!! Steve Lohr has a companion article The Patent Litigation Dilemma: Free Riders
. I guess Mr. Lohr believes that blaming everything on those pesky "Free Riders" will somehow deflect the public from realizing that a patent extortion racket is apparently going on. Mr. Lohr wrote:
"The dilemma for such firms is the "free rider" problem. Companies like Microsoft and Intel have paid Intellectual Ventures many millions of dollars for the insurance that the patents the firm holds will not be used against them in patent-infringement suits. But rival technology companies benefit as well, without paying license fees to Intellectual Ventures, unless there is a mechanism to sometimes sue the companies that hold out."
The quote above seems to boil down to: "Pay us insurance money or get sued."
PS: Unlike the main article, you can leave comments on the companion article.
[Comment at 02/18/2010 11:26 AM by Steve R.]
>> ponzi monetization scheme
It seems that a solid Bilski ruling against software patents (eg, software running on PCs and on other devices able to handle just about any software) could really help pop this bubble and similar ones before they get too big!
[Comment at 02/22/2010 05:50 AM by Jose_X]
I posted the following on Linux Today http://www.linuxtoday.com/it_management/2010022300635NWLL
The first commenter here claims to have inside knowledge and referred to this as a ponzi scheme: http://www.againstmonopoly.org/index.php?perm=593056000000002612 (got link from boycottnovell).
Presumably the goal is to reach every single business on the planet (and maybe later consumers as well).
At any given point, those that are in and collectively own a growing truckload of patents have the negotiating leverage against new potential licensees, so the rates to new licensees increase, effectively creating a multi-tiered system rewarding most those that get in earliest.
The main target is probably all businesses across all industries. By raising taxes (the bar) on all new businesses, the crew in the center can pontentially grow to throttle and manage competition very decisively. Who can fight an armament of patents? Eventually the rates will be so high, it will not be possible to enter certain types of businesses except under extremely dicey and burdensome terms. Most people will likely end up paying for a "user fee" rather than the higher cost "producer free". There will likely be many tiers to tax everyone. Producers will be limited in what they are licensed to produce, how, and when.
Unlike a government tax (as per theory), this tax and license schedule is created by a small core group of businesses in power (owned and controlled by stockholders) to protect against direct competition to their businesses, so rather than the loser being competing governments (as is the case to the monopoly exercised by the federal government) the losers are competing businesses. The voters that help make the rules in this new world are a narrowing crop of wealthier and wealthier business owners. At what point will the actual government "of the people" that enables this racket to exist in the first place step in? How much of a blow will patents then receive?
It seems Gates, Myhrvold, and others are working very seriously to effect a government by the wealthy and for the wealthy. Note, Microsoft's (Gates', etc) tremendous success over the years in avoiding paying Uncle Sam. They leverage tax loopholes to avoid paying the system they are usurping.. based on rules established by the very system they are gradually replacing.
People sometimes value their property significantly more than the life (or quality thereof) of others. The result is that if a government is not based on each life voting, but rather each dollar voting (with dollars not eventually distributed among all living), then there will be a tendency, in my opinion, to see more injustices and ultimately to pressure the lives being affected negatively to call the bluff and take matters into their own hands to show that a life is more valuable than a dollar and so should be respected and represented to a larger enough degree.
[Comment at 02/23/2010 05:26 PM by Jose_X]
It's not completely clear what I just wrote (part of the problem is mangled formatting and part is me changing views midway through the initial posting I was quoting). So let me clarify a bit.
I am seeing the tremendous power of patent monopolies (tremendous because they cover vast vast areas likely to eventually affect all new inventions and all people using them) used as effective (if bloodless) weapons by an initial group that recognizes they can unite to succumb everyone that comes after them. This is a form of divide and conquer. They unite, and then tackle everyone else (as "licensee"), one by one.
At any point in time, the patent arsenal is so large that the group backing it can set terms more and more favorable to themselves.
Because patent monopolies cover usage and are allowed to be broad enough to cover many things unseen and unimagined, virtually everyone will be impacted.
This enables a tax (royalties) as well as a "can or can't do" schedule to be drawn up to cover everyone and all actions. The only question is are you doing anything that violates anything which we have under patent? The answer in almost all cases will be yes. Eg, if you are lying on your hammock reading, "were you reading a type of novel blah blah or where you using the following type of hammock blah blah with screws blah blah".. These will all be covered with patents, and you will hardly be able to avoid violations [even making your own hammock from grown plants and forged minerals and reading unknown authors will likely still violate somewhere].
And note that control is not based on the value of the invention. The USPTO allows vague obvious garbage through and gives it as much power as brilliant and narrow descriptions. Control will be based on when you were approached to license since many bad broad brain-dead patents working together give tremendously more power than a few brilliant narrow patents you may have devised. Of course, no individual has anywhere near a million or more patents (which will be what you are up against by the time these people knock on your door).
Can you say the end of competition and of many liberties and of paths to success? Essentially a bunch of lawyers and wealthy individuals will dominate society, all backed by these monopoly "deeds" the government doled out indiscriminately. The earlier they got into the Licensing Program, the greater their leverage at that time and against all coming after them.
Everything can be covered! Patents are over *usage*. Patents are granted for almost any combination not obvious to a 10 year old. Real life actions by normal people involve combinations of many things (eg, the computer you use has many parts so will invoke many patents on its users). Consumers and all businesses will be taxed and restricted according to the rules set forth primarily by those with the most leverage (ie, those earliest into the game, into the Licensing Program (TM), and closest to the main players).
This is not a stable situation for society, but how far will it get?
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[Comment at 11/24/2010 09:51 AM by Mike Rowan]
The aim is to build a growing portfolio of interlocking patents under control through a kind of pyramid scheme. Finally, the directors (Myhrvold, doors, etc.) in cash later. Patents are rarely considered directly, but are carried out in an elaborate network pyramidal LLC, LLP, etc. The mafia racketeering and is in the shape of their pitch to the patent holders and potential licensees " we have never sued for infringement, but, of course, some of our patents have been sold to people who make a claim for damages unpleasant. Be a shame if something would happen to your business beautiful, eh? Why not join us as a licensee and an investor, I am sure that you can ensure that no patents of interest to end the unpleasant. "The idea is to get patents owned businesses (in particular multiple patent holders) reach an agreement to sell its ownership of patents to IV, but also to get simultaneouslyh LLP INVEST in buying more patents. More investors means more from $ to buy more patents, which brings over I have never thought that surfing online can be so much beneficial and having found your blog, I feel really happy and grateful for providing me with such priceless information. Prank call ideas ideas
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that was at mcdonalds. and the elderly lady sued because the coffee was so hot it melted the cotton to her genitals and she had to get reconstructive surgery. or i may be mistaken and this happened twice, but the one i know of is the mcdonalds one. i though it was stupid at first too, 646-364
but id be pretty mad too if i had to get reconstructive surgery on my crotch too.
i doubt this will make it past trial, any competant judge can clearly see this is patent trolling.
[Comment at 12/01/2010 09:22 PM by mathew]
And you posted this off-topic comment here because?
[Comment at 12/01/2010 09:52 PM by None Of Your Beeswax]
The aim is to build a growing portfolio of interlocking patents under control through a kind of pyramid scheme. Finally, the directors (Myhrvold, doors, etc.) in cash later. Patents are rarely considered directly, but are carried out in an elaborate network pyramidal LLC, LLP, etc. The mafia racketeering and is in the shape of their pitch to the patent holders and potential licensees " we have never sued for infringement, but, of course, some of our patents have been sold to people who make a claim for damages unpleasant. Be a shame if something would happen to your business beautiful, eh? Why not join us as a licensee and an investor cissp tutorial
[Comment at 12/03/2010 02:15 AM by william]
The aim is to build a growing portfolio of interlocking patents under control through a kind of pyramid scheme. Finally, the directors (Myhrvold, doors, etc.) in cash later. Patents are rarely considered directly, but are carried out in an elaborate network pyramidal LLC, LLP, etc. The mafia racketeering and is in the shape of their pitch to the patent holders and potential licensees " we have never sued for infringement, but, of course, some of our patents have been sold to people who make a claim for damages unpleasant. Be a shame if something would happen to your business beautiful, eh? Why not join us as a licensee and an investor,
[Comment at 12/05/2010 10:17 PM by william.smith61]
The whole thing seems shady. I feel as if inventors are always getting ripped off due to the fact that, often being creative minds, this means they are not businesspeople. It looks as if Mhyrvold is hoping to have his cake and eat it too in regards to making money off of both large
corporations and the 'poor inventor.' Yet, there must be something more to it - obviously business would realize that they are getting ripped off. Perhaps Mhyrvold is aligning with certain corporations and only suing their competition? Sounds highly unethical to me & Intellectual Ventures should definitely be investigated, if not dissolved.
[Comment at 01/05/2011 06:34 AM by Marie]
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