Ok,music with copyright. Billboard released its list of top money making acts. It doesn't give a systematic breakdown of earnings by category - but it did for Metallica (you know Lars Ulrich, the gas station attendant turned drummer who says he'd never have made the switch without copyright forever)

Along with touring revenue -- the band pulled in $22.8 million from 55 arena shows reported to Boxscore that drew more than 968,000 fans -- Metallica sold 694,000 albums in 2009. The majority of those sales came from its Rick Rubin-produced 2008 release, "Death Magnetic" (297,000). Album sales revenue totaled $1.6 million. And most of Metallica's track download earnings came from its 1991 hit "Enter Sandman," which sold 450,000.

Hmmm...think it would make a lot of difference to the world if they lost the $1.6 million from the albums? Without copyright they'd only make $22.8 million from touring...You might almost think it would be worth it to them to give the recorded music away for free to promote their concerts...

Was the $22.8 million gross or net?

Revenue is always gross, not net.

It would appear from the Billboard site that revenue refers to the artists share, not total revenue generated.

So, after expenses, they might have only made $1.6 million in profit?

I think Metallica is great, but they would be even better if they did give out albums for free.

I think Metallica is great, but they would be even better if they did give out albums for free.

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Your thesis will have to become a lot less vague before it can form the basis of possible changes.

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What is with all the vague comments with bad spelling and poor grammar lately? None of them say anything really new or useful.

WTF?

You're kidding, right? Most music these days IS copyrighted. The public domain is a tiny and shrinking minority of ALL works of art.

Perhaps an effect of a version of Gresham's law for music? :)

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Yeah, Most music these days IS copyrighted.

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Don't be ridiculous. The distribution monopoly benefits no-one but the distributors -- the major record labels, in the case of music. And file sharing harms no-one. Interestingly enough, it doesn't even harm the record labels, let alone actual musicians!

That's two people now that have suggested that filesharers ought to produce new music and release it to the public domain. I find that a somewhat odd suggestion. For one thing, it's as if you people think filesharers should compensate in some way for their downloading. But most P2P systems already enforce that -- they compensate in bandwidth by uploading files as well as downloading them.

Furthermore, the majority of the population simply hasn't the talent (or the equipment) to do it.

That's a neat idea. Free music (online only I would imagine) and then use social buzz to get people to come out to the concerts. Just like getting a free phone with a contract from your wireless carrier. Trouble is that it is a big risk. sedu hair straighteners | chi flat irons

Copyright to music is really important to those who are making a living out f music..that is why they are very active in getting to jail all those who pirates their music...

Nonsense. Read Techdirt sometime. Musicians have in fact hardly ever gotten much from record sales; live shows has always been their main moneymaker. The RIAA has tended to take every last penny, or nearly so, from record sales for itself!

And live shows are not harmed by copyright infringement. In fact they're helped, since recordings, bootleg or authorized, serve as advertising for them.

Nowadays, in the era of internet, free stuffs are common. Some of them are really free, but others are not (even if you get it free). Similar situation is with music. /">elehouston electrician - electrician houston -

You won't find too much agreement here Jessie. Copyright is a form of monopoly, and guess what the name of this site is?

You won't find too much agreement here James. Copyright is a form of monopoly, and guess what the name of this site is?

That's where you'd be wrong, Shawn. In fact it's an issue that's gaining attention day by day and has been for years.

I think it takes a long time before you get taken off the spammer list once you're on it, even when you implement nofollow. I wonder if these people realize they are spamming, or if that is hidden from them somehow. They don't seem entirely evil.

You're kidding, right? That last one spoke up in favor of copyright!

It seems that people today, myself included, want to be bribed into taking actions. So, providing free music may inspire and motivate them to then go to the trouble of attending a concert. Of course, some people may just keep the free music and refrain from spending money on the live concert but that's just part of life.

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Pah! Music needs copyright like I need a hole in the head.

Music thrived for thousands of years without copyright. Some indie artists now make money from music without restricting copying.

Music will get along fine without copyright.

The major record labels might not, but that's not the same thing.

No. There was a time before copyright and there will be a time after copyright.

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Mellisa Nelson writes:

Somehow, music must be copyrighted so that the artist, the composer and the record company will be given the right credits.

Non sequitur. Plagiarism and copyright are orthogonal matters. All that is required for "the proper credits" is for them to publicize their role widely.

In fact you will find little plagiarism among, say, file-sharers; accurately advertising a music track they are sharing as by, say, Def Leppard is in their own interests, especially on systems with an upload ratio.

Certainly there are mechanisms for securing the credit to a work that don't require monopolistic privileges over copying by others. For example, if you are already famous you could make sure the first copy of a new work is made available in a manner that does not allow any doubts as to attribution, say, at by debuting its performance at a concert while touring. The first recorded copy could be duplicated and one of the duplicates given to an attorney who signs an affidavit that you gave him it on such-and-such a date; you then release the other duplicate. If this is done with most non-plagiarized works, a plagiarist will always be suspected because he won't be able to produce an affidavit attesting that he possessed a copy of the work before the date on the true author's affidavit.

And then the creative process can itself be done more publicly than has been traditional, with works-in-progress and other information being released over the net. This will also strongly demonstrate who really originated the work, if the ownership of the blog (or whatever) is clear.

Furthermore, trademark law can be used to combat plagiarism and its reverse, passing off one's own perhaps-mediocre product as from a more famous source (say, to accumulate more pageviews and AdWords revenue at your website, which is the first, and will thus tend to remain the primary, source for the file).

In short, it's a problem that can be solved without imposing restrictions on copying.

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I recently came across a discussion on this website where many primary contributors wanted to see if they could improve the spam "problem". I believe their goal was and is to improve some aspect of this website.

The comment I posted above was intended to say that those passing by could help flag spam if that feature were enabled as was being discussed.

I don't keep up with this website, but I don't think suggestions aimed to try and help improve the site are unwelcomed from those that pass by but who may have missed out on some important development or resolution of an earlier discussion (if that is the case here).

I am sure you posting repeatedly "What does blah blah have to do with monopolies, ?" is your way of also trying to suggest a solution.

Well, so now you see the connection to monopolies; however, don't take this reply to mean that I am anything more than a fairly sophisticated spambot.

Are you sophisticated?

tweetie, tholen appears to me to be someone or something that posts on a website dedicated to the expression of many arguments against monopolies. Anything tholen writes on this website is related to monopolies through its inclusion on this website (which has the link to monopolies just mentioned). Additionally, some of what tholen writes might be related to monopolies in other ways.

Jose_X, you should check out some of tholen's usenet work. It started out with one geeky scientist, but he has attracted antagonists, imitators, and even a few fans. It's a kind of performance art, although some of the recent installments seem like the players are just going through the motions, and it's been a while since there was any new material.

One of my favourite tholen lines from rec.music.classical, in reply to a question about favorite march composers was, "Nah; I've always been an april composer kind of guy"

Another funny line: "Illogical; I am not a program, I am a free man! (With apologies to Patrick McGoohan.)"

Somebody wrote a program... http://www.mdpub.com/tholen/tholenizer.html

"As we know, There are known knowns. There are things we know we know. We also know There are known unknowns. That is to say We know there are some things We do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns, The ones we don't know we don't know."

as collected and printed in "Pieces of Intelligence : The Existential Poetry of Donald H. Rumsfeld", (edited) by Hart Seely.

It is interesting to note that while the corporations invoke rights of the artists, in the early history of music publishing, the composers actually needed protection from the publishers. (For less popular artists, it has not changed much.)

I bought a new music book yesterday, and some of the copyright notices made me laught - for example, one piece listed copyright 1905 and new transpostition copyright 2006. Does transposing something up a tone really entitle the publisher to claim a new copyright???

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Most music, movies, games, books, all of it, most of it is copyrighted, however this is interesting with all the numbers....$1.6 million seems like a small amount compared to their total revenue.... movie downloads

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Internet or tapes... music still makes good money.

Internet or tapes... music still makes good money.

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patty80 writes:

Without music copyright, the music industry will surely loose enormous amounts of money.

Complete and utter poppycock. Did you even read Against Intellectual Monopoly? And have you been following Techdirt or even just the news lately? The music industry is thriving despite widespread copying of mp3s; only the recording industry is in trouble, that is due to a variety of factors, and quite frankly the recording industry can go the way of the buggy whip industry for all most of us outside of it care; the simple fact of the matter is that the Internet and mp3 players have made those little plastic disks technologically obsolete. Buggy whip makers, meet Henry Ford. Meanwhile the music industry is in no trouble and will thrive on progress as it ever has.

Can we have some comments here that aren't just generic praise for the blog, often followed by a random and apparnetly-irrelevant phrase?

That is illogical, Bernard; copyright has nothing to do with attribution.

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